1 00:00:15,481 --> 00:00:17,517 In Toronto's war on crime, 2 00:00:17,583 --> 00:00:20,119 the worst offenders are pursued by the detectives 3 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:23,056 of the Specialized Criminal Investigations Unit. 4 00:00:23,122 --> 00:00:24,424 These are their stories. 5 00:00:45,078 --> 00:00:46,612 - Come on, Ivy. Stay for one more song. 6 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:47,980 No, Amy. 7 00:00:48,047 --> 00:00:49,882 Uh, seriously, I have to go. 8 00:00:49,949 --> 00:00:51,317 I have class tomorrow at nine. 9 00:00:51,384 --> 00:00:52,819 - You're literally acing every course, 10 00:00:52,885 --> 00:00:54,520 you can take a morning off. 11 00:00:54,587 --> 00:00:56,589 What? Is something wrong? 12 00:00:56,656 --> 00:00:58,858 Is-is it Rob? - No. I'm fine. 13 00:00:58,925 --> 00:01:00,493 Go sing, I'll see you at home. 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,195 Go! 15 00:01:02,261 --> 00:01:03,663 Go. Okay. 16 00:01:03,729 --> 00:01:05,865 - Uh, can I close my tab? - Sure. 17 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:09,268 No whole lotta love tonight? 18 00:01:09,902 --> 00:01:11,204 - What? 19 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:12,438 - Nothing. 20 00:01:15,374 --> 00:01:17,076 Here. 21 00:01:17,143 --> 00:01:19,545 - Rob, stop calling. I'm not at Tempo. 22 00:01:21,781 --> 00:01:24,283 - Ivy, if you're still feeling this way, 23 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:25,885 maybe you should take a break. 24 00:01:25,952 --> 00:01:27,520 Go see your parents. 25 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:30,690 - So you think I should just run away from my problems? 26 00:01:30,756 --> 00:01:33,559 - No. I think you need to manage your stress. 27 00:01:33,626 --> 00:01:36,129 - But you don't think this is real, do you? 28 00:01:37,029 --> 00:01:39,365 Like, I'm not living in some fantasy world, Dr. Nielson! 29 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:41,033 - I didn't say that, Ivy. 30 00:01:41,734 --> 00:01:43,503 Come. Sit. 31 00:01:43,569 --> 00:01:44,437 Please. 32 00:01:48,174 --> 00:01:49,542 I think you should consider 33 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:51,911 doing what's best for you in this situation. 34 00:01:51,978 --> 00:01:53,713 - I know what's best for me. 35 00:01:54,847 --> 00:01:56,582 And I'm not going anywhere. 36 00:01:57,650 --> 00:01:59,819 - Everyone's looking at this all wrong. 37 00:01:59,886 --> 00:02:01,454 I've done the test. 38 00:02:01,521 --> 00:02:03,956 These wounds were made by something easily accessible. 39 00:02:04,023 --> 00:02:06,759 Um, a steak knife. A pairing knife. 40 00:02:06,826 --> 00:02:09,896 - So, you think the killer was in the house with her. 41 00:02:09,962 --> 00:02:10,897 Followed her out? 42 00:02:10,963 --> 00:02:12,865 - Why? Is that what you think? 43 00:02:12,932 --> 00:02:13,900 Come on. 44 00:02:13,966 --> 00:02:16,269 Please, Ivy. Help me out. 45 00:02:16,335 --> 00:02:19,405 Why would someone stab this woman seven times? 46 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:21,807 Passion makes people do 47 00:02:21,874 --> 00:02:24,944 irrational things, Morris. And you'd know that 48 00:02:25,011 --> 00:02:27,013 if you didn't spend all your time playing with knives. 49 00:02:30,383 --> 00:02:32,818 - Okay, so what is it then? I wanna possess you, 50 00:02:32,885 --> 00:02:34,687 be you, so... I'm gonna kill you? 51 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:38,624 - Hello? 52 00:02:38,691 --> 00:02:41,194 Uh, yes, yes. Thank you for calling back. 53 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:44,096 Uh, yeah, I can be there. 54 00:02:47,533 --> 00:02:49,402 - Is that your, uh, mystery lead? 55 00:02:54,907 --> 00:02:57,009 - Uh, you're sure that's what you heard? 56 00:02:57,076 --> 00:02:59,545 - Yes. I'm certain. 57 00:02:59,612 --> 00:03:01,480 - Who else have you told about this? 58 00:03:01,547 --> 00:03:03,182 - You're the first. 59 00:03:15,661 --> 00:03:16,963 - Rob, what the hell are you doing? 60 00:03:17,029 --> 00:03:18,798 I just... wanna talk. 61 00:03:18,864 --> 00:03:20,666 Been avoiding me. 62 00:03:20,733 --> 00:03:22,468 - We've talked for months. You don't listen. 63 00:03:22,535 --> 00:03:24,170 We broke up. 64 00:03:24,237 --> 00:03:26,606 - Okay, but... what if I didn't want to? 65 00:03:30,076 --> 00:03:31,544 - Hey, it's me. 66 00:03:31,611 --> 00:03:34,480 Great work. I just think that maybe... 67 00:03:34,547 --> 00:03:36,749 our last chapter needs a bit more muscle. 68 00:03:36,816 --> 00:03:38,884 I mean, I know you're all about the subtlety and that's awesome, 69 00:03:38,951 --> 00:03:40,720 but I think that if we're gonna make waves, 70 00:03:40,786 --> 00:03:42,521 we need to hit it harder. 71 00:03:42,588 --> 00:03:44,357 That's my thought. Anyway, I'll see you soon. 72 00:03:58,938 --> 00:04:01,474 - Amy? Are you home? I need to talk to you. 73 00:04:02,908 --> 00:04:04,110 Amy? 74 00:04:33,539 --> 00:04:35,941 Amy, I'm on my way to campus to find you. 75 00:04:36,008 --> 00:04:37,443 Call me as soon as you-- 76 00:04:52,258 --> 00:04:54,794 Hello? Campus Services. 77 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:57,229 What's your emergency? Hello? 78 00:05:35,801 --> 00:05:38,871 - Campus Security got a call from this phone at 11:22, 79 00:05:38,938 --> 00:05:40,539 but there was nobody on the line. 80 00:05:40,606 --> 00:05:42,341 They sent somebody at 11:30, 81 00:05:42,408 --> 00:05:44,543 thinking it was a prank. 82 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:46,345 - No such luck. - Yeah. 83 00:05:46,412 --> 00:05:48,180 - Ivy Abbott, 20 years old. 84 00:05:48,247 --> 00:05:50,015 Dean says she's a third-year 85 00:05:50,082 --> 00:05:51,417 Criminology Major. 86 00:05:51,484 --> 00:05:53,185 She's got a 4.0 GPA. 87 00:05:53,252 --> 00:05:54,887 - Smart kid. 88 00:05:54,954 --> 00:05:56,555 - You talked to the parents yet? 89 00:05:56,622 --> 00:05:58,290 - Yeah. They're both academics. 90 00:05:58,357 --> 00:06:00,993 They're in Edinburg for a year, they're flying back today. 91 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:02,928 Ivy was their only kid. 92 00:06:02,995 --> 00:06:04,430 So... 93 00:06:04,497 --> 00:06:06,799 what sent Ivy Abbott to an emergency phone 94 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:08,334 in the middle of the night? 95 00:06:08,401 --> 00:06:09,735 - Well, her cell phone died. 96 00:06:09,802 --> 00:06:12,738 - Uh... here. 97 00:06:12,805 --> 00:06:14,907 See if it'll charge. 98 00:06:14,974 --> 00:06:15,875 - Oh, great. Thanks. 99 00:06:18,511 --> 00:06:21,046 - I wonder if someone was following her. 100 00:06:21,113 --> 00:06:23,883 - Well, these indentations between her fingers. 101 00:06:23,949 --> 00:06:26,385 Could be she tried to arm herself? 102 00:06:26,452 --> 00:06:28,754 - Maybe with her keys for protection. 103 00:06:28,821 --> 00:06:31,657 Okay, so, she runs to the phone to call for help, 104 00:06:31,724 --> 00:06:33,325 but the killer 105 00:06:33,392 --> 00:06:36,262 stabs her in the neck and then drags her 106 00:06:36,328 --> 00:06:38,030 and flips her over. 107 00:06:38,097 --> 00:06:40,099 Keeps stabbing. 108 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:42,668 The wound to her neck would've been fatal. 109 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:45,004 The six stabs on her back, that was anger. 110 00:06:45,070 --> 00:06:46,806 This was personal. 111 00:06:46,872 --> 00:06:48,641 You found a weapon? 112 00:06:48,707 --> 00:06:49,975 - Uh, no. Nothing yet. 113 00:06:51,577 --> 00:06:54,413 - Anything on her person that could account for this? 114 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,081 Looks like rope burn. 115 00:06:56,148 --> 00:06:58,417 - No, we just found her wallet, keys, and her phone. 116 00:06:58,484 --> 00:07:00,152 Oh, it's charged. 117 00:07:00,219 --> 00:07:01,387 Thanks. 118 00:07:04,056 --> 00:07:05,257 Hey. 119 00:07:06,358 --> 00:07:09,895 "What do you mean you're too scared to stay home. Call me." 120 00:07:17,269 --> 00:07:19,638 Ivy said she was coming back to our apartment. 121 00:07:19,705 --> 00:07:21,941 I was studying on campus till midnight. 122 00:07:22,007 --> 00:07:24,176 My phone was on Do Not Disturb. 123 00:07:24,243 --> 00:07:27,213 And when I got Ivy's voicemail... 124 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:29,114 ...I texted her and she didn't respond. 125 00:07:29,181 --> 00:07:31,817 I ran home, then I found this. 126 00:07:31,884 --> 00:07:34,653 I tried to blow them all out, but there are so many. 127 00:07:35,621 --> 00:07:37,156 - Amy, is there anyone we can call? 128 00:07:37,223 --> 00:07:38,824 Can I text my mom? 129 00:07:38,891 --> 00:07:40,226 - Of course. 130 00:07:49,735 --> 00:07:52,471 Amy, has anything like this happened before? 131 00:07:52,538 --> 00:07:54,907 - The first time there were just a couple of candles. 132 00:07:54,974 --> 00:07:55,808 Then a few more. 133 00:07:55,875 --> 00:07:57,076 It's the third time. 134 00:07:57,142 --> 00:07:59,645 I've never been so scared. 135 00:08:02,114 --> 00:08:04,884 - Do you have any idea who might have done this? 136 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:07,186 - Yeah, I figured it was Rob. Ivy's ex. 137 00:08:07,253 --> 00:08:10,356 I-it started a couple months ago when they broke up. 138 00:08:10,422 --> 00:08:11,790 - Did Ivy ever inform the police? 139 00:08:11,857 --> 00:08:14,293 - Yeah, she tried. The cop at the station 140 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,728 said that it's not a crime 141 00:08:15,794 --> 00:08:17,630 to leave something outside of someone's house. 142 00:08:18,764 --> 00:08:20,833 - Yeah... Sweetheart, I'm so sorry to hear that. 143 00:08:22,101 --> 00:08:26,005 Do you think this was some grand gesture to try to get Ivy back? 144 00:08:26,071 --> 00:08:27,573 - We tried every other way. 145 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,776 Constant calling, texting. Guy's unhinged. 146 00:08:32,778 --> 00:08:34,480 - What, you think I did something to Ivy? 147 00:08:35,447 --> 00:08:37,149 No, no. I would never hurt her. 148 00:08:37,216 --> 00:08:38,984 - Well, what do you know about this, huh? 149 00:08:39,051 --> 00:08:41,287 It's got quite the distinctive scent. 150 00:08:42,521 --> 00:08:45,224 Cedar, cannabis, Canadian wildflowers. 151 00:08:45,291 --> 00:08:46,892 And a hundred of these were left on 152 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:49,662 Ivy's patio last night. - That's crazy. 153 00:08:49,728 --> 00:08:51,030 - Where were you last night, Rob? 154 00:08:51,897 --> 00:08:53,098 - I was at the Madison. 155 00:08:53,165 --> 00:08:55,734 Got there at, like, 10 PM with a few buddies. 156 00:08:55,801 --> 00:08:57,269 We stayed until, I don't know, 1:30? 157 00:08:57,336 --> 00:08:58,671 Get back here with Kailey. 158 00:08:58,737 --> 00:09:00,839 She just left. - Kailey? 159 00:09:02,074 --> 00:09:04,643 - I'm trying to see new people. Get over Ivy. 160 00:09:05,511 --> 00:09:07,112 Best six months of my life were with her. 161 00:09:07,179 --> 00:09:08,314 - So why did you break up? 162 00:09:08,380 --> 00:09:10,049 I don't know, I... 163 00:09:10,115 --> 00:09:11,917 She just pulled away. She broke up with me. 164 00:09:11,984 --> 00:09:12,985 She wouldn't tell me why. She... 165 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:16,422 She shut down her social media, started to go to therapy, 166 00:09:16,488 --> 00:09:17,957 which I thought was weird. 167 00:09:18,023 --> 00:09:20,426 I mean, she never wanted to talk about her feelings before. 168 00:09:20,492 --> 00:09:22,428 - Who's her therapist? 169 00:09:22,494 --> 00:09:24,196 - Someone on campus. 170 00:09:25,397 --> 00:09:27,633 Sarah something. 171 00:09:30,536 --> 00:09:33,172 - Ivy and I met four times in the last few months. 172 00:09:34,173 --> 00:09:36,008 She was a great student. 173 00:09:36,075 --> 00:09:37,710 Good kid. 174 00:09:37,776 --> 00:09:40,012 - Yeah, she needed someone to talk to. 175 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:42,715 - Yes. She was stressed. Anxious. 176 00:09:42,781 --> 00:09:46,619 - Did this anxiety have anything to do with, uh, 177 00:09:46,685 --> 00:09:47,820 unwanted attention? 178 00:09:47,886 --> 00:09:50,222 - A lot of female students seek out guidance 179 00:09:50,289 --> 00:09:52,524 regarding harassment, Detective, and unfortunately 180 00:09:52,591 --> 00:09:54,193 Ivy was no different. 181 00:09:54,259 --> 00:09:57,563 Look, I... I wouldn't normally do this, but, um. 182 00:10:01,633 --> 00:10:03,168 You can have my notes. 183 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:05,337 They might help. - Thank you. 184 00:10:05,404 --> 00:10:08,007 - Ivy was convinced that someone was following her. 185 00:10:08,073 --> 00:10:09,642 She said that they left things outside of her apartment, 186 00:10:09,708 --> 00:10:11,110 lurked near her place. 187 00:10:11,176 --> 00:10:12,945 To be honest, I couldn't tell whether this was real 188 00:10:13,012 --> 00:10:14,513 or whether it was some delusion 189 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:15,848 brought on by some underlying issue. 190 00:10:15,914 --> 00:10:17,983 - It says here, "Possible BPD" 191 00:10:18,050 --> 00:10:20,019 I'm assuming that's Borderline Personality Disorder? 192 00:10:20,085 --> 00:10:22,655 Disordered sense of self, intense emotions... 193 00:10:22,721 --> 00:10:24,957 - Relationship instability. Yes. 194 00:10:25,024 --> 00:10:27,026 All motivated by a fear of abandonment. 195 00:10:27,092 --> 00:10:29,728 But I wasn't sure because Ivy also exhibited traits 196 00:10:29,795 --> 00:10:31,797 of Paranoid Personality Disorder. 197 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:34,199 Delusions, distrust. 198 00:10:34,266 --> 00:10:36,301 - And you never made an official diagnosis? 199 00:10:36,368 --> 00:10:38,303 - No, no, and... 200 00:10:39,238 --> 00:10:41,073 Considering what happened to her, I suppose I... 201 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:43,008 I got that all wrong. 202 00:10:45,077 --> 00:10:46,912 Regardless, it would take me more than 203 00:10:46,979 --> 00:10:48,580 four sessions to be sure. You know, 204 00:10:48,647 --> 00:10:51,483 some folks go after this stuff with a hammer. 205 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:53,852 I paint in watercolour. 206 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:55,454 You know, it takes time. 207 00:10:55,521 --> 00:10:57,189 Patience. 208 00:10:57,256 --> 00:10:59,591 I wanted to help Ivy, I really did, 209 00:10:59,658 --> 00:11:02,861 but I couldn't report the harassment for her. 210 00:11:02,928 --> 00:11:06,565 - Did Ivy ever describe this person? 211 00:11:06,632 --> 00:11:08,434 - The only thing that I remember her saying 212 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:10,869 is that he wore an army jacket. 213 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,915 - It's so sad, isn't it? 214 00:11:22,981 --> 00:11:24,683 Did you know her? 215 00:11:25,751 --> 00:11:27,519 She was my girlfriend. 216 00:11:27,586 --> 00:11:28,921 - Oh, my God... 217 00:11:28,987 --> 00:11:30,856 I'm so sorry. 218 00:11:30,923 --> 00:11:32,758 - Apparently, she tried to report it, 219 00:11:32,825 --> 00:11:34,560 but the description of the guy was vague 220 00:11:34,626 --> 00:11:36,628 and you know what they say about stalking. 221 00:11:36,695 --> 00:11:38,263 Yes, homicide in slow motion. 222 00:11:38,330 --> 00:11:40,432 Finished Ivy Abbott's autopsy. 223 00:11:40,499 --> 00:11:42,668 The killer twisted the knife inside her neck 224 00:11:42,735 --> 00:11:44,436 almost 180 degrees. 225 00:11:44,503 --> 00:11:46,672 - He sliced her carotid and her jugular? 226 00:11:46,739 --> 00:11:48,674 Yeah. She bled out quickly. 227 00:11:48,741 --> 00:11:51,110 I looked into those abrasions on her left hand, 228 00:11:51,176 --> 00:11:53,412 there's thin fibres embedded. I sent them for testing. 229 00:11:53,479 --> 00:11:56,415 - Possibly clutching onto an object as a weapon 230 00:11:56,482 --> 00:11:58,150 when the keys failed? - Maybe. 231 00:11:58,217 --> 00:12:01,186 I once tried to fend off a subway perv using a debit card. 232 00:12:01,253 --> 00:12:03,989 - Yeah, I pretended ChapStick was pepper-spray. 233 00:12:04,056 --> 00:12:05,491 It actually worked. 234 00:12:05,557 --> 00:12:07,326 Her killer wasn't a stranger. 235 00:12:07,392 --> 00:12:09,027 He had a personal connection with her. 236 00:12:09,094 --> 00:12:11,096 - Yeah, he either hated her or desired her. 237 00:12:11,163 --> 00:12:14,433 - Maybe he even felt a whole lotta love. 238 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,735 It's the name of the candle. Forensics just came back, 239 00:12:16,802 --> 00:12:18,837 pinpointed a proprietary blend 240 00:12:18,904 --> 00:12:21,840 of cedar, cannabis, and Canadian wildflowers. 241 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:24,343 Created by a Canadian company, Shy Wolf. 242 00:12:24,409 --> 00:12:27,746 I called them and guess who bought 150 candles 243 00:12:27,813 --> 00:12:29,815 using their credit card online? 244 00:12:29,882 --> 00:12:31,283 Hope you have a reservation 245 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:32,818 'cause we're totally booked tonight. 246 00:12:32,885 --> 00:12:36,155 - Oh, I'm sure you can squeeze us in for, I don't know, 247 00:12:36,221 --> 00:12:38,624 five minutes and 33 seconds? 248 00:12:38,690 --> 00:12:40,692 - Well, that's just enough time to do a hearty rendition 249 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:42,694 of Whole Lotta Love. 250 00:12:42,761 --> 00:12:44,229 - Carter Harold, right? 251 00:12:44,296 --> 00:12:45,864 That's you? - Yeah. 252 00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:47,232 - Well, seems recently you bought 253 00:12:47,299 --> 00:12:49,034 a whole lotta these candles. 254 00:12:50,602 --> 00:12:53,071 - It's very expensive to just leave them all 255 00:12:53,138 --> 00:12:56,308 in Ivy Abbott's backyard. 256 00:13:03,448 --> 00:13:05,083 - Come on, Carter. That's enough. 257 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:06,852 - I didn't kill Ivy, I swear. 258 00:13:09,655 --> 00:13:10,756 - You sure? 259 00:13:10,823 --> 00:13:12,357 'Cause you were stalking her. 260 00:13:13,926 --> 00:13:16,228 - Okay. I left the candles on the night she died. 261 00:13:16,295 --> 00:13:17,329 On all those nights. 262 00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:19,131 But I just wanted... - Wanted what? 263 00:13:19,198 --> 00:13:20,899 Be her own personal boogeyman? 264 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:23,669 - No. I wanted her to know that I cared about her. 265 00:13:23,735 --> 00:13:25,871 The candles. They were a message. 266 00:13:25,938 --> 00:13:27,472 They were named after a song we sang together. 267 00:13:27,539 --> 00:13:28,674 - You're telling me a 20-year-old 268 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:30,876 sang Led Zeppelin at karaoke? 269 00:13:30,943 --> 00:13:33,011 - Not exactly. Um... 270 00:13:33,078 --> 00:13:34,813 I was in a room on my own one night. 271 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,182 But then I heard a voice in the hall joining in. 272 00:13:37,249 --> 00:13:40,352 I logged out and saw... 273 00:13:40,419 --> 00:13:41,253 ...her. 274 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,955 - Then you got hooked. 275 00:13:43,822 --> 00:13:46,525 Pulled her address off her ID, went to her house, 276 00:13:46,592 --> 00:13:48,694 started taking photos, lighting candles. 277 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,962 - She needed to know how I felt. 278 00:13:50,028 --> 00:13:51,797 What about how she felt? 279 00:13:51,864 --> 00:13:54,399 'Cause I'm pretty sure you terrified her. 280 00:13:54,466 --> 00:13:56,435 Every. Single. Time. 281 00:13:56,501 --> 00:13:59,938 - See, I-I'm, uh, pretty new to this, so forgive me, 282 00:14:00,005 --> 00:14:04,409 but you want us to believe you trespassed onto her property, 283 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:05,978 peaked through her windows 284 00:14:06,044 --> 00:14:08,747 and took some pretty intrusive photos of her, 285 00:14:08,814 --> 00:14:12,618 but then you didn't follow her to a deserted area, 286 00:14:12,684 --> 00:14:14,620 stab her in the neck and in the back? 287 00:14:14,686 --> 00:14:18,824 Carter, what did Ivy do when she saw the candles? 288 00:14:22,761 --> 00:14:24,429 Answer the question. 289 00:14:24,496 --> 00:14:27,232 - She ran away. Okay? 290 00:14:27,299 --> 00:14:29,134 She obviously didn't like them. - Shocker. 291 00:14:29,201 --> 00:14:32,004 - So I left and I went to work a late shift at the bar. 292 00:14:32,971 --> 00:14:34,873 Check the cameras, I was there by 11:15. 293 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:35,941 - We will. 294 00:14:36,008 --> 00:14:37,542 - Honestly, I wished I followed her. 295 00:14:37,609 --> 00:14:38,644 I could've helped her. 296 00:14:39,544 --> 00:14:41,647 - Well, maybe it's not too late to help. 297 00:14:41,713 --> 00:14:43,916 I mean, you followed her around, right? 298 00:14:43,982 --> 00:14:44,983 - Yeah. 299 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:46,652 - What was she up to? 300 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:48,854 - She was spending way too much time 301 00:14:48,921 --> 00:14:50,188 at that Criminology building. 302 00:14:50,255 --> 00:14:51,456 - She had classes there. 303 00:14:51,523 --> 00:14:53,525 - No, it's not just class. It's... 304 00:14:53,592 --> 00:14:54,826 ...something else. 305 00:14:54,893 --> 00:14:56,795 Every day, she goes to some weird locked room 306 00:14:56,862 --> 00:14:58,630 that only a few people had a key to. 307 00:14:59,731 --> 00:15:00,033 - What's inside? 308 00:15:02,433 --> 00:15:04,569 - I don't know, but I think it's bad for her. 309 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:08,340 Very bad. 310 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:12,744 - Let me know when you're done. 311 00:15:17,182 --> 00:15:21,086 - That looks like a bunch of true crime nerds made a nest. 312 00:15:21,153 --> 00:15:24,356 - Or the Cold Case Club. 313 00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:27,926 They do seminars supervised by Professor Garrett Poole. 314 00:15:27,993 --> 00:15:29,695 - What's the case? 315 00:15:29,761 --> 00:15:34,599 - The victim was Kat Berman, murdered in 2019. 316 00:15:34,666 --> 00:15:36,301 Student at Queens University. 317 00:15:36,368 --> 00:15:38,303 She was stabbed once in the neck. 318 00:15:39,571 --> 00:15:42,441 - And six times... in the back. 319 00:15:43,875 --> 00:15:45,911 Exactly like Ivy. 320 00:15:51,917 --> 00:15:55,754 - So Ivy Abbott was studying Kat Berman's murder 321 00:15:55,821 --> 00:15:58,890 and ends up getting killed in exactly the same way? 322 00:15:58,957 --> 00:16:01,259 - Yeah, down to the twist of the knife. 323 00:16:01,326 --> 00:16:03,362 Uh, take a look at Ivy's autopsy 324 00:16:03,428 --> 00:16:06,031 and Kat's autopsy from six years ago. 325 00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:07,599 Their fatal neck wounds were caused 326 00:16:07,666 --> 00:16:09,534 by the exact same maneuver. 327 00:16:09,601 --> 00:16:11,570 - Followed by six stabs to the back. 328 00:16:11,636 --> 00:16:14,406 The only difference was the marks on the hand. 329 00:16:14,473 --> 00:16:16,208 Ivy had them, Kat did not. 330 00:16:16,274 --> 00:16:17,676 You talk to Kingston PD? 331 00:16:17,743 --> 00:16:20,412 - Yeah, they gave us access to Kat's file, 332 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:22,447 but they haven't had a new lead in forever. 333 00:16:22,514 --> 00:16:24,750 - So, now we have two dead students, 334 00:16:24,816 --> 00:16:26,618 similar ages, same wound. 335 00:16:26,685 --> 00:16:29,221 Yeah. We might be looking at a serial murderer. 336 00:16:29,287 --> 00:16:33,191 - Or a copycat who knew the wound pattern well. 337 00:16:33,258 --> 00:16:36,728 Maybe because they studied it at Cold Case Club. 338 00:16:40,098 --> 00:16:41,700 - Ivy was an excellent student. 339 00:16:41,767 --> 00:16:43,602 - I'm sorry for your loss, Professor Poole. 340 00:16:43,668 --> 00:16:45,804 Uh, profile told us she was in your Cold Case Club? 341 00:16:45,871 --> 00:16:49,007 - Yeah, one of only 10 kids selected. 342 00:16:49,074 --> 00:16:51,143 - Yes, it was an invitation only 343 00:16:51,209 --> 00:16:53,245 criminology seminar for third-year students 344 00:16:53,311 --> 00:16:56,014 and Ivy was, yeah, she was doing incredibly well. 345 00:16:56,081 --> 00:16:57,282 They all were. 346 00:16:57,349 --> 00:16:58,984 - So you thought your best and brightest 347 00:16:59,051 --> 00:17:01,653 could solve Kat Berman's murder? 348 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,855 Uh, stump the Kingston PD? 349 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:07,626 - No, it's more of a teaching exercise. 350 00:17:07,692 --> 00:17:09,995 - Hmm. - So you take an unsolvable case 351 00:17:10,062 --> 00:17:11,630 and give it to a bunch 352 00:17:11,696 --> 00:17:13,698 of smart kids. - And see what they do with it. 353 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,003 Each bring their own expertise, their own point of view. 354 00:17:18,070 --> 00:17:19,638 It's fascinating. - Hmm. 355 00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,274 - And what was, uh, Ivy's angle? 356 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:23,942 - Interpreting witness testimony. 357 00:17:24,009 --> 00:17:25,243 - Hmm. 358 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:26,912 And what if, uh, a student 359 00:17:26,978 --> 00:17:28,947 discovers a lead? 360 00:17:29,014 --> 00:17:31,116 - Well, then I would take it to the cold case unit, 361 00:17:31,183 --> 00:17:34,252 but I've been using this one for a couple years now 362 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:35,754 and so far there are no new leads. 363 00:17:35,821 --> 00:17:36,922 - Hmm. 364 00:17:36,988 --> 00:17:39,591 But, uh, Ivy wanted to find one. Yeah. 365 00:17:39,658 --> 00:17:41,526 Uh, we heard she spent quite a lot of time 366 00:17:41,593 --> 00:17:44,196 in the seminar room after hours. 367 00:17:44,262 --> 00:17:45,797 - Yes, they all did. 368 00:17:45,864 --> 00:17:47,666 I told them they'd get top marks if they solved it 369 00:17:47,732 --> 00:17:49,067 and they couldn't take the files home. 370 00:17:49,134 --> 00:17:52,571 - Did those files include, uh, 371 00:17:52,637 --> 00:17:55,474 Kat Berman's autopsy? 372 00:17:56,741 --> 00:17:58,310 - Yes. Why? 373 00:17:58,376 --> 00:18:00,645 - Oh, we were wondering if any of the students were, uh, 374 00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:02,314 taking the pathology angle? 375 00:18:02,380 --> 00:18:04,349 - Cause of death. Injuries. 376 00:18:05,917 --> 00:18:08,153 - Yes, Morris Lemay. 377 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:10,722 He's an aspiring forensic pathologist. 378 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:12,858 He was trying to recreate Kat Berman's wounds 379 00:18:12,924 --> 00:18:16,428 using various unique methods. 380 00:18:17,496 --> 00:18:18,730 - Many body pathologists 381 00:18:18,797 --> 00:18:20,999 practise replicating knife wounds. 382 00:18:21,066 --> 00:18:22,400 It's not weird. 383 00:18:24,569 --> 00:18:26,905 - So, does everyone work on Miss Piggy? 384 00:18:26,972 --> 00:18:29,074 - Well, they should. The consistency of pig flesh 385 00:18:29,141 --> 00:18:30,709 is very close to human. 386 00:18:30,775 --> 00:18:32,010 - Well, funny. That's why we're here. 387 00:18:32,077 --> 00:18:33,745 Morris, where were you the night Ivy died? 388 00:18:33,812 --> 00:18:36,314 - I didn't kill Ivy. I was with my parents. Here. 389 00:18:36,381 --> 00:18:37,582 All night. 390 00:18:37,649 --> 00:18:38,683 You can ask them. 391 00:18:39,918 --> 00:18:41,520 - What's on your mind? 392 00:18:41,586 --> 00:18:42,888 - If only I'd move faster. 393 00:18:42,954 --> 00:18:44,256 Done better. 394 00:18:44,322 --> 00:18:45,857 Could've found out who really did this and... 395 00:18:45,924 --> 00:18:47,425 Ivy would still be alive. 396 00:18:47,492 --> 00:18:49,261 - Do you think Kat's killer murdered Ivy? 397 00:18:49,327 --> 00:18:50,362 - Isn't it obvious? 398 00:18:50,428 --> 00:18:52,931 Ivy probably figured out who did it. 399 00:18:52,998 --> 00:18:55,200 You call yourself a detective... 400 00:18:56,535 --> 00:18:59,871 - Professor Poole says that there were no new leads. 401 00:18:59,938 --> 00:19:01,606 - Yeah, well, Professor Poole doesn't know everything. 402 00:19:01,673 --> 00:19:03,575 Ivy finished reviewing witness testimony 403 00:19:03,642 --> 00:19:05,911 and moved on to something that wasn't even assigned to her. 404 00:19:05,977 --> 00:19:07,879 Something that no one was allowed to do. 405 00:19:07,946 --> 00:19:09,781 - Interviewing real witnesses. 406 00:19:09,848 --> 00:19:11,316 - How'd you know? 407 00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:13,051 - Oh, well, that's exactly what he would've done. 408 00:19:13,118 --> 00:19:15,253 So, what was Ivy's strategy? 409 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,989 - Ivy was really into victimology. 410 00:19:18,056 --> 00:19:19,724 In particular, victim facilitation. 411 00:19:19,791 --> 00:19:22,093 You know, the theory of what makes someone a target. 412 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,895 But nothing of the witness testimony 413 00:19:23,962 --> 00:19:25,630 made it seem like Kat was a high-risk victim. 414 00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:27,299 Just went to work and to school. 415 00:19:27,365 --> 00:19:30,769 - So Ivy wanted to know how the killer came into Kat's orbit. 416 00:19:30,835 --> 00:19:32,904 - Yeah. Ivy figured the perp was either an unassuming random, 417 00:19:32,971 --> 00:19:34,406 a stalker-- 418 00:19:34,472 --> 00:19:37,309 - Or someone Kat didn't want anyone else to know about. 419 00:19:37,375 --> 00:19:39,945 Did Ivy find any new leads? 420 00:19:40,011 --> 00:19:43,148 - She went to meet a witness the day she died. 421 00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:46,818 I saw the address she wrote down before she left. 422 00:19:49,721 --> 00:19:53,091 - Yes. Ivy Abbott came by here at 6 PM. 423 00:19:53,158 --> 00:19:54,092 We chatted, she left. 424 00:19:54,159 --> 00:19:55,627 I was here till 12. 425 00:19:55,694 --> 00:19:57,095 I didn't even know her. 426 00:19:57,162 --> 00:20:00,033 - But Ivy thought that you might know Kat Berman. 427 00:20:03,233 --> 00:20:04,169 - And where was this? 428 00:20:04,236 --> 00:20:05,670 - Six years ago, I was living 429 00:20:05,737 --> 00:20:07,639 in Kingston with my aunt and on the weekend I delivered 430 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:09,507 pizzas for a place called Max Dough. 431 00:20:09,574 --> 00:20:12,277 - And Ivy knew you were delivering pizzas to Kat? 432 00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:14,512 - She saw a photo of our pizza box in Kat's recycling. 433 00:20:14,579 --> 00:20:16,314 Part of the case files, I guess. 434 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:17,682 - And Ivy wanted to know 435 00:20:17,749 --> 00:20:20,051 if you ever saw anyone with Kat on the weekends? 436 00:20:20,118 --> 00:20:23,088 - Yes. And there was a guy there with her sometimes. 437 00:20:23,154 --> 00:20:24,990 Definitely a boyfriend. - So Damien, 438 00:20:25,056 --> 00:20:27,826 did you ever, uh, see a face, get a name? 439 00:20:27,892 --> 00:20:29,261 No, but I heard his voice. 440 00:20:29,327 --> 00:20:30,795 He was annoying. 441 00:20:30,862 --> 00:20:32,330 Told the same story over and over. 442 00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:34,266 So our pizza box was red, right? 443 00:20:34,332 --> 00:20:36,334 Every time Kat took it inside, 444 00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:38,336 he would make a comment on how it was 445 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:41,640 the exact same colour of his fancy cottage in Newfoundland. 446 00:20:41,706 --> 00:20:44,709 So when I told Ivy about it, she got really tense. 447 00:20:44,776 --> 00:20:47,012 Said she needed to talk to her professor right away. 448 00:20:47,078 --> 00:20:48,880 - Hmm. Funny. 449 00:20:48,947 --> 00:20:52,150 He didn't tell us that. 450 00:20:56,154 --> 00:20:57,822 - Morris. What are you doing here? 451 00:20:57,889 --> 00:21:00,592 - I, uh, came to grab some of my research. 452 00:21:00,659 --> 00:21:01,593 - Well, you won't need it. 453 00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:03,094 Out of respect for Ivy, 454 00:21:03,161 --> 00:21:04,696 I'm cancelling this seminar for good. 455 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:07,365 But what about our grades? 456 00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:09,134 - Is that all you can think about? Your grades? 457 00:21:10,268 --> 00:21:12,737 What kind of question is that, man? 458 00:21:12,804 --> 00:21:14,606 What's wrong with you? 459 00:21:14,673 --> 00:21:16,841 - Uh... 460 00:21:16,908 --> 00:21:18,977 Uh, I'm sorry. You're right. 461 00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:20,412 - Hang on, hang on. 462 00:21:20,478 --> 00:21:23,014 I'm sorry. It's, um... 463 00:21:23,081 --> 00:21:24,416 Marks are gonna be determined 464 00:21:24,482 --> 00:21:26,217 based on the work that's already been submitted. 465 00:21:26,284 --> 00:21:28,586 You're okay. Don't worry. 466 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:33,491 - So you've never heard of Damien Aku. 467 00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:35,694 - No, Ivy never mentioned meeting anyone named, 468 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,430 Damien Aku and... 469 00:21:38,496 --> 00:21:40,565 I would never condone reaching out to a stranger 470 00:21:40,632 --> 00:21:43,234 about the cold case. - Really? 471 00:21:43,301 --> 00:21:46,671 'Cause Damien told us that Ivy's first priority 472 00:21:46,738 --> 00:21:49,941 was to report back to you about a new suspect. 473 00:21:50,008 --> 00:21:52,210 - Well, she may have sent an email. 474 00:21:52,277 --> 00:21:54,179 Maybe it ended up in my junk box. 475 00:21:54,245 --> 00:21:56,581 I don't know, my inbox is a mess. 476 00:21:56,648 --> 00:21:57,816 I haven't had time to go through-- 477 00:21:57,882 --> 00:21:59,784 - Sorry, this is the first new clue in years 478 00:21:59,851 --> 00:22:01,152 and you haven't had time? 479 00:22:01,219 --> 00:22:03,588 - I'm saying I didn't know there was a new clue. 480 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:04,923 - Oh, okay. Well, that's all right. 481 00:22:04,989 --> 00:22:06,324 You know what, we can fill you in. 482 00:22:06,391 --> 00:22:10,929 Uh, so Ivy found out that Kat had a secret boyfriend. 483 00:22:10,995 --> 00:22:13,131 Now, we don't know his name. 484 00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,500 - Oh, but we do know that he owns some 485 00:22:15,567 --> 00:22:17,268 pretty stunning property. 486 00:22:17,335 --> 00:22:18,903 - Yeah, a red cottage in Newfoundland. 487 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:21,272 - Kinda like this one. 488 00:22:25,243 --> 00:22:29,147 - Were you dating Kat Berman, Professor Poole? 489 00:22:29,214 --> 00:22:31,750 - And what did you do when Ivy found out? 490 00:22:33,885 --> 00:22:37,722 We know he took a sabbatical from Osler in 2019, 491 00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:39,624 moved to Kingston to write a book on the penitentiary. 492 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:41,459 Same year Kat was killed. 493 00:22:41,526 --> 00:22:42,794 - Yeah, Kat worked in a library 494 00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:44,629 that housed some of the penitentiary archives. 495 00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:46,264 They might have met there. 496 00:22:46,331 --> 00:22:48,967 We haven't confirmed it, but after Kat was killed, 497 00:22:49,033 --> 00:22:51,102 Garrett Poole went back home 498 00:22:51,169 --> 00:22:52,737 and eventually started the Cold Case Club. 499 00:22:52,804 --> 00:22:55,140 - It's possible he was simply interested in the case. 500 00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:56,341 They lived in the same city. 501 00:22:56,408 --> 00:22:57,942 Maybe he read about it in the newspaper-- 502 00:22:58,009 --> 00:22:59,978 - Yes, but now we're thinking that he was sleeping with Kat. 503 00:23:00,044 --> 00:23:03,348 So, he's either obsessed with the woman he loved... 504 00:23:03,415 --> 00:23:07,619 - Or he's a, uh, murdering narcissist who's 505 00:23:07,685 --> 00:23:10,355 spent the last three years daring his students 506 00:23:10,422 --> 00:23:11,956 to catch him. 507 00:23:12,023 --> 00:23:14,025 - Who the hell are we dealing with? 508 00:23:14,092 --> 00:23:16,060 - We're about to find out. 509 00:23:20,865 --> 00:23:24,536 - Yes, I was sleeping with Kat Berman in 2019. 510 00:23:24,602 --> 00:23:26,838 Our relationship has nothing to do with her murder. 511 00:23:26,905 --> 00:23:28,907 I didn't kill her. I loved her. 512 00:23:28,973 --> 00:23:32,710 - You used her murder as fodder for a university class. 513 00:23:32,777 --> 00:23:35,013 - I wanna solve the case. - So did Ivy. 514 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:36,714 And from the looks of it, 515 00:23:36,781 --> 00:23:39,350 she got dangerously close to the truth. 516 00:23:39,417 --> 00:23:41,920 Uh, we got a warrant to search your communication 517 00:23:41,986 --> 00:23:45,723 and, oh, you weren't lying about your inbox being a mess. 518 00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:49,360 But, uh, we found this in your trash. 519 00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:51,930 - What is this, uh, Ivy's email? 520 00:23:51,996 --> 00:23:54,265 The one that, uh, you couldn't find. 521 00:23:54,332 --> 00:23:55,433 - Hmm. - It was sent 522 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:56,701 the night she was killed, but forgive me, 523 00:23:56,768 --> 00:24:00,371 I-I left my glasses on my desk. 524 00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:03,274 Perhaps you could read it out to us. 525 00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:10,682 - "I know you were dating Kat." 526 00:24:14,385 --> 00:24:16,955 This isn't what this looks like. Come on. 527 00:24:17,021 --> 00:24:20,592 - No? Because you deleted a very clear message from Ivy 528 00:24:20,658 --> 00:24:23,495 that would give you a very clear motive for murder. 529 00:24:23,561 --> 00:24:25,930 - And let's face it, it might be easier just to get rid of her 530 00:24:25,997 --> 00:24:28,633 than to, uh, have to track down and destroy 531 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:32,570 2,000 copies of a book with a very damning detail on it. 532 00:24:34,138 --> 00:24:37,141 - I did not kill Ivy out of some kind of self-preservation 533 00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:39,477 because I did not kill Kat. 534 00:24:39,544 --> 00:24:40,578 Do you understand? 535 00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:42,380 - Then why would you lie to us? 536 00:24:42,447 --> 00:24:44,082 - Do you have any idea how hard it is 537 00:24:44,148 --> 00:24:45,450 to be a male professor these days? 538 00:24:50,688 --> 00:24:53,958 I did not want the fact that I slept with Kat to get out. 539 00:24:54,025 --> 00:24:55,760 Okay? It's not because I killed her, 540 00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:58,196 it's because I would be ruined. I'd be cancelled. 541 00:24:58,263 --> 00:24:59,297 I would lose everything. 542 00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:00,033 Yeah, but Ivy still knew. 543 00:25:05,169 --> 00:25:05,970 Go after her? 544 00:25:06,037 --> 00:25:07,605 - Yeah, your office is very, 545 00:25:07,672 --> 00:25:08,806 very close to where she was killed. 546 00:25:08,873 --> 00:25:10,174 - Yeah, but I wasn't at my office. 547 00:25:10,241 --> 00:25:11,476 - Where were you? 548 00:25:11,543 --> 00:25:13,177 - I was with a colleague at her office. 549 00:25:13,244 --> 00:25:14,846 - Who? - Sarah Nielson. 550 00:25:14,913 --> 00:25:16,648 I'm working with her on my new book. 551 00:25:16,714 --> 00:25:19,551 I was with her from 9:30 to midnight. 552 00:25:20,118 --> 00:25:21,686 - Sarah Nielson the campus therapist? 553 00:25:21,753 --> 00:25:25,924 - Did you know that, um, Sarah was treating Ivy? 554 00:25:27,725 --> 00:25:30,762 I mean... 555 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:33,498 Yes. 556 00:25:33,565 --> 00:25:34,866 - How? 557 00:25:36,768 --> 00:25:38,269 - 'Cause I introduced them. 558 00:25:40,605 --> 00:25:43,975 - Do you hand pick all your students' therapists? 559 00:25:46,678 --> 00:25:49,614 - Maybe you got your pal to talk to Ivy 560 00:25:49,681 --> 00:25:51,816 for the same reason you trashed that email. 561 00:25:51,883 --> 00:25:54,452 Because you didn't want the world to know 562 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:58,456 that you and Ivy were also in a sexual relationship. 563 00:25:58,523 --> 00:25:59,891 - Yeah, that would make you two for two. 564 00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:03,027 That's two relationships, two students. 565 00:26:03,094 --> 00:26:04,495 Both dead. 566 00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:06,731 - Ivy never told me 567 00:26:06,798 --> 00:26:08,499 that she and Garrett Poole were sleeping together. 568 00:26:08,566 --> 00:26:09,434 I'd have to report that. 569 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,169 - Even though you're friends? 570 00:26:11,235 --> 00:26:12,837 - I think that outweighs friendships, Detective. 571 00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:14,205 So do morals. 572 00:26:14,272 --> 00:26:16,574 - And the night Ivy was killed? 573 00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:18,242 - Well, Garrett was with me in my office 574 00:26:18,309 --> 00:26:19,677 till well after midnight. 575 00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:21,379 We were working on his new book. 576 00:26:21,446 --> 00:26:23,448 Whatever was happening with Ivy, 577 00:26:23,514 --> 00:26:26,117 Garrett's telling the truth about that night. 578 00:26:26,184 --> 00:26:28,453 - That's helpful, Sarah. Thank you. 579 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,889 - Did forensics come back on those fibres in Ivy's hand? 580 00:26:31,956 --> 00:26:33,324 - I was just about to call you. 581 00:26:33,391 --> 00:26:37,562 They're from a cord used in retractable key card fobs. 582 00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:40,498 - What, like the one Poole used to let us into his office? 583 00:26:40,565 --> 00:26:42,900 - It looked long enough to wrap around Ivy's hand, 584 00:26:42,967 --> 00:26:44,102 cause rope burn. 585 00:26:44,168 --> 00:26:45,770 I knew we shouldn't have let him go. 586 00:26:45,837 --> 00:26:48,339 - No, the man had an alibi, it was verified. 587 00:26:48,406 --> 00:26:52,176 - But if you find the cord, I can test it for Ivy's DNA. 588 00:26:52,243 --> 00:26:53,645 - Thanks, Lucy. Standby. 589 00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:59,384 Okay, you two. We need to be very strategic here 590 00:26:59,450 --> 00:27:01,552 because whether or not there's DNA on that cord... 591 00:27:01,619 --> 00:27:03,721 - Poole's alibi still stands. 592 00:27:03,788 --> 00:27:05,256 - However, in my experience, even the most 593 00:27:05,323 --> 00:27:07,458 bulletproof of alibis will weaken 594 00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:10,328 when faced with a fear of obstructing justice. 595 00:27:10,395 --> 00:27:13,898 - So if we tell ethical, moral Sarah 596 00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:15,299 that we've got some evidence against Poole, 597 00:27:15,366 --> 00:27:17,068 she might bend. 598 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:20,605 - And if you gild the lily by showing her a little more 599 00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:22,740 of the horror of the crime she's covering up... 600 00:27:22,807 --> 00:27:24,809 - Hmm, she might break. 601 00:27:24,876 --> 00:27:28,012 Can you, uh, put a SPIN team on Poole? 602 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:29,247 - Nothing I'd rather do. 603 00:27:29,313 --> 00:27:30,581 Go break that alibi. 604 00:27:33,384 --> 00:27:34,752 Garrett. 605 00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:37,789 Thank God they released you. You okay? 606 00:27:37,855 --> 00:27:39,791 - Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. 607 00:27:39,857 --> 00:27:42,493 Thanks for talking to the cops. You're a lifesaver. 608 00:27:43,895 --> 00:27:45,563 - Um... 609 00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:47,231 Garrett. 610 00:27:47,298 --> 00:27:48,633 - Yeah? 611 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,269 - Is there anything that you wanna tell me? 612 00:27:51,335 --> 00:27:52,270 - About what? 613 00:27:52,336 --> 00:27:53,738 - About Ivy? 614 00:27:55,206 --> 00:27:56,274 Garrett. 615 00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:57,308 I just lied for you. 616 00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:58,342 - Hey. 617 00:28:00,511 --> 00:28:02,313 You know I didn't hurt her. 618 00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:03,514 Right? 619 00:28:03,581 --> 00:28:04,716 You know that. 620 00:28:04,782 --> 00:28:06,484 Of course you didn't! 621 00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:08,186 But... I-- - But nothing. 622 00:28:08,252 --> 00:28:10,488 Why should we give some myopic cop 623 00:28:10,555 --> 00:28:13,057 anyone who have opportunity to pin this on me? 624 00:28:13,124 --> 00:28:16,394 I left your office, I was out walking around the campus. 625 00:28:16,461 --> 00:28:19,797 Ju-just processing all these great ideas that you had 626 00:28:19,864 --> 00:28:22,633 for the last chapter, you know? 627 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,736 You're amazing, you know that, right? 628 00:28:24,802 --> 00:28:26,637 - Oh, stop. 629 00:28:26,704 --> 00:28:28,473 - God, I'm so lucky to have you. 630 00:28:28,539 --> 00:28:29,974 - What do you mean? 631 00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:35,346 I mean... you're loyal and you're... 632 00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:38,716 You're faithful and you're... 633 00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:40,518 you're so smart. 634 00:28:40,585 --> 00:28:42,620 It's just pure. 635 00:28:42,687 --> 00:28:43,988 There's no silliness. 636 00:28:44,055 --> 00:28:46,924 There's no messy feelings getting in the way. 637 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:54,298 - Why are you showing me these? 638 00:28:54,365 --> 00:28:56,801 - Because we believe your friend Garrett Poole 639 00:28:56,868 --> 00:28:58,503 did that to Ivy Abbott. 640 00:28:58,569 --> 00:29:00,037 - That's-that's impossible. 641 00:29:00,104 --> 00:29:01,639 I told you that we were together. 642 00:29:01,706 --> 00:29:05,109 - It's amazing what people will do to protect a friend. 643 00:29:09,347 --> 00:29:10,882 What do you have in your pocket? 644 00:29:10,948 --> 00:29:11,983 Come on, show me. 645 00:29:17,021 --> 00:29:19,423 Okay, so you're by yourself. 646 00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:20,892 It's nighttime. 647 00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:22,426 Someone's following you. 648 00:29:22,493 --> 00:29:25,496 Out of all of this, what do you use to defend yourself? 649 00:29:27,498 --> 00:29:29,534 So they have a knife. 650 00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:32,069 You have a pen. 651 00:29:32,136 --> 00:29:34,539 - I mean, compared to you right now, 652 00:29:34,605 --> 00:29:36,641 Ivy was lucky. She had her keys on her. 653 00:29:36,707 --> 00:29:39,076 Intertwined them between her fingers 654 00:29:39,143 --> 00:29:41,712 in the hope that she could take a swing and then run. 655 00:29:41,779 --> 00:29:43,181 But she didn't. 656 00:29:43,247 --> 00:29:45,249 'Cause someone stabbed her in the side of the neck 657 00:29:45,316 --> 00:29:47,552 before she got the chance. 658 00:29:47,618 --> 00:29:49,187 Why would Garrett do this? 659 00:29:49,253 --> 00:29:51,756 - Well, Ivy learned that there was another student 660 00:29:51,823 --> 00:29:54,892 he was involved with who also wound up dead. 661 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,460 Kat Berman, six years ago. 662 00:29:56,527 --> 00:29:57,728 - There were more? 663 00:29:57,795 --> 00:29:59,897 I knew about Ivy. 664 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:00,033 - Wait. You knew that Poole was sleeping with Ivy? 665 00:30:04,833 --> 00:30:04,902 Why are you wasting our time? 666 00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:07,205 - Okay. 667 00:30:08,873 --> 00:30:10,408 Ivy told me. 668 00:30:10,474 --> 00:30:14,345 I was horrified, but I couldn't always trust what she said. 669 00:30:14,412 --> 00:30:16,914 I told her it wasn't appropriate 670 00:30:16,981 --> 00:30:19,517 and she told me that she was too scared to break up with him. 671 00:30:19,584 --> 00:30:22,186 Now I could never imagine Garrett threatening a woman. 672 00:30:22,253 --> 00:30:25,056 - Well, this looks more than a threat, doesn't it? 673 00:30:26,424 --> 00:30:27,959 - Garrett wouldn't-- - Hurt anyone? 674 00:30:28,025 --> 00:30:29,360 Come on, Sarah. 675 00:30:29,427 --> 00:30:32,330 Predators don't just hide in the shadows. 676 00:30:32,396 --> 00:30:34,999 They're in nice offices in nice homes, 677 00:30:35,066 --> 00:30:36,801 in positions of power. 678 00:30:36,868 --> 00:30:39,537 - And you are enabling him. 679 00:30:41,472 --> 00:30:42,373 Why? 680 00:30:43,808 --> 00:30:45,877 - I didn't want Garrett to be ruined. 681 00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:50,014 What if Garrett was telling the truth? What if Ivy was lying? 682 00:30:51,382 --> 00:30:52,416 - But she wasn't. 683 00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:55,286 So don't lie for him. 684 00:31:01,492 --> 00:31:04,829 - Garrett was in my office with my until 11 PM. 685 00:31:07,098 --> 00:31:09,433 I'm sorry. 686 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,402 I never thought that he could do something like this, 687 00:31:11,469 --> 00:31:14,639 so when he asked me to say that we were together until midnight, 688 00:31:15,806 --> 00:31:17,575 I said okay. 689 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:20,244 - Detectives, a word. 690 00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:24,916 SPIN team just called. Poole is on the move, 691 00:31:24,982 --> 00:31:27,184 he's got a suitcase with him. 692 00:31:27,251 --> 00:31:28,753 I'll deal with Sarah, you go. 693 00:31:34,926 --> 00:31:37,094 - There he is. We need his key fob. 694 00:31:38,562 --> 00:31:40,665 - Doctor Poole. 695 00:31:40,731 --> 00:31:43,668 - Garrett Poole. Police. Stop! 696 00:31:47,271 --> 00:31:48,839 - What the hell is going on here? 697 00:31:48,906 --> 00:31:50,408 I didn't do anything. 698 00:31:50,474 --> 00:31:51,909 - We'll see about that. 699 00:31:51,976 --> 00:31:53,244 - Garrett Poole, you're under arrest 700 00:31:53,311 --> 00:31:55,479 for the murder of Ivy Abbott. 701 00:32:03,788 --> 00:32:05,323 - I was headed to Union Station. 702 00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:08,759 I'm catching a train to go to Hudson Valley to see a friend. 703 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:10,094 I'm not guilty of anything. 704 00:32:10,161 --> 00:32:11,729 - Well, the jury's out on that, 705 00:32:11,796 --> 00:32:13,264 but we'll have a clearer picture 706 00:32:13,331 --> 00:32:15,666 once forensics comes back with the key fob. 707 00:32:15,733 --> 00:32:18,235 You see, we believe it was the last thing that 708 00:32:18,302 --> 00:32:20,771 Ivy Abbott grabbed for before she died. 709 00:32:20,838 --> 00:32:23,174 - You knew it was only a matter of time 710 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,409 before Ivy outed you as Kat's killer, 711 00:32:25,476 --> 00:32:28,012 so you got rid of her to save yourself! 712 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:29,280 I didn't kill Ivy! 713 00:32:29,347 --> 00:32:32,016 I didn't kill Kat. I told you. I love them. 714 00:32:32,083 --> 00:32:33,384 Both of them! 715 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:35,453 - You preyed on two young students 716 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,021 and both have ended up dead. 717 00:32:38,289 --> 00:32:40,424 - Is that the results? The DNA test? 718 00:32:40,491 --> 00:32:41,525 What does it say? 719 00:32:42,426 --> 00:32:43,794 What does it say? 720 00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,768 - Negative for Ivy's DNA. 721 00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:52,403 - Yeah, I told you! 722 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:54,572 I told you I didn't kill anyone! 723 00:32:54,638 --> 00:32:56,040 - Then why did you ask a colleague 724 00:32:56,107 --> 00:32:58,242 to fabricate an alibi for you? 725 00:32:58,309 --> 00:33:00,244 - I didn't ask her to do that. 726 00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:01,946 It was her idea. 727 00:33:02,513 --> 00:33:06,050 - So, she just came up with this whole plan all by herself. 728 00:33:06,117 --> 00:33:07,385 Why? 729 00:33:07,451 --> 00:33:09,086 - Sarah is a friend. 730 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:11,055 Okay? She's a close friend. 731 00:33:11,122 --> 00:33:13,157 She adores me. She'd do anything for me. 732 00:33:13,224 --> 00:33:16,093 So when we found out that Ivy was killed, 733 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,728 a student we both knew, 734 00:33:17,795 --> 00:33:21,332 Sarah suggested that we just say we were together. 735 00:33:21,399 --> 00:33:22,833 You know? Just to keep things tidy. 736 00:33:24,001 --> 00:33:25,736 So one more time. 737 00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:27,805 Where were you? 738 00:33:27,872 --> 00:33:30,574 - At 11 o'clock, I went out for a walk. 739 00:33:30,641 --> 00:33:33,244 And Sarah stayed behind and worked on my edits. 740 00:33:36,981 --> 00:33:38,449 Leaving you both alone 741 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:42,219 and unaccounted for at the time of Ivy Abbott's murder. 742 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:44,989 Let's get Sarah's interview up. 743 00:33:45,056 --> 00:33:46,323 - Yeah, I'm on it. 744 00:33:49,193 --> 00:33:51,128 What do you have in your pockets? 745 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:52,830 Come on, show me. 746 00:33:53,998 --> 00:33:56,133 Hmm, okay, so. 747 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,670 You're alone. It's nighttime. 748 00:34:05,476 --> 00:34:07,111 - The white key card. 749 00:34:07,178 --> 00:34:09,613 It's not the official blue one the rest of the staff have. 750 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,849 It's temporary. - And she tried to hide it. 751 00:34:11,916 --> 00:34:14,185 Which mean she got rid of her official card 752 00:34:14,251 --> 00:34:16,153 and the fob that went with it. 753 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:18,289 - And as Poole said, 754 00:34:19,423 --> 00:34:21,826 "She adores him. She'd do anything to help him." 755 00:34:23,127 --> 00:34:25,696 - Sarah Nielson was inside Ivy's head. 756 00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:27,631 - Yeah, she knew she could kill Ivy 757 00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:30,367 and point the finger at any number of people in Ivy's life. 758 00:34:30,434 --> 00:34:32,036 - Even pointed you two toward a stalker. 759 00:34:32,103 --> 00:34:34,238 - And all the while, she was covering for Poole, 760 00:34:34,305 --> 00:34:35,473 which also gave herself an alibi. 761 00:34:35,539 --> 00:34:37,341 - That's some fancy footwork. 762 00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:38,976 - Hmm. - But then for some reason, 763 00:34:39,043 --> 00:34:41,645 she decided to throw Poole under the bus. Why? 764 00:34:41,712 --> 00:34:44,215 - Oh, 'cause we offered him up as a patsy. 765 00:34:44,281 --> 00:34:47,718 And if Sarah's smart, uh, the only piece of hard evidence 766 00:34:47,785 --> 00:34:50,020 that we hoped to test is long gone. 767 00:34:50,087 --> 00:34:51,622 - Finding that fob wouldn't help. 768 00:34:53,090 --> 00:34:54,692 I'm Sarah's defence lawyer. 769 00:34:54,758 --> 00:34:56,894 First thing I'd say, 770 00:34:56,961 --> 00:34:59,163 everyone at Osler has that fob. 771 00:34:59,230 --> 00:35:00,033 30,000 people could be your killer. 772 00:35:05,633 --> 00:35:06,570 your client has no alibi. 773 00:35:06,637 --> 00:35:09,140 - She was in her office. Working. 774 00:35:09,206 --> 00:35:11,642 - The therapists' offices don't have cameras. I checked. 775 00:35:11,709 --> 00:35:14,078 - Thank you, Counselor, but I have the floor. 776 00:35:14,145 --> 00:35:16,514 - Oh. - Hmm. 777 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:18,949 - You don't have my client's prints on the murder weapon 778 00:35:19,016 --> 00:35:20,718 because you don't have a murder weapon. 779 00:35:20,784 --> 00:35:22,620 No sign of her on CCTV. 780 00:35:22,686 --> 00:35:24,722 At least not a recognizable Sarah. 781 00:35:24,788 --> 00:35:27,458 - Okay, but what is a recognizable Sarah? 782 00:35:27,525 --> 00:35:30,294 The woman is a cypher. I-I don't think I've seen 783 00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:32,563 the real Sarah this entire time. 784 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:35,199 - This... This could be the real Sarah. 785 00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:38,035 Uh, this is Poole's one big book, right? Got him tenure, 786 00:35:38,102 --> 00:35:41,038 but it doesn't read like his earlier papers. 787 00:35:41,105 --> 00:35:42,640 Listen to this language: 788 00:35:42,706 --> 00:35:44,508 "As Anna Freud posited in 1936, 789 00:35:44,575 --> 00:35:46,610 defence mechanisms operate unconsciously 790 00:35:46,677 --> 00:35:47,945 to protect the ego. 791 00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:50,281 Repression, rejection, sublimation, displacement. 792 00:35:50,347 --> 00:35:54,185 Sigmund Freud swung at these conditions with a hammer. 793 00:35:54,251 --> 00:35:57,087 But Anna Freud believed in time, layers, and patience. 794 00:35:57,154 --> 00:36:00,057 She unpacked these emotions with care 795 00:36:00,124 --> 00:36:02,526 and painted them with a watercolour brush." 796 00:36:02,593 --> 00:36:05,696 - That's exactly what Sarah said to us when we first met. 797 00:36:05,763 --> 00:36:08,065 You think that's her research? 798 00:36:08,132 --> 00:36:09,700 - And she gave it all to Poole? 799 00:36:09,767 --> 00:36:12,203 - Romantic isn't it? - Yeah, certainly is. 800 00:36:12,269 --> 00:36:13,737 And that's how we break her. 801 00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,008 Thanks for meeting me here, Sarah. 802 00:36:18,075 --> 00:36:19,543 How you feeling? 803 00:36:20,511 --> 00:36:22,246 - I-I'm a little stunned. 804 00:36:22,313 --> 00:36:24,114 I can't believe Garrett said it was my idea 805 00:36:24,181 --> 00:36:25,616 to lie about his alibi. 806 00:36:25,683 --> 00:36:27,184 Yeah, well, we saw right through that. 807 00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:28,986 - Well, I'm just glad that you caught him. 808 00:36:29,053 --> 00:36:30,521 Yeah. 809 00:36:30,588 --> 00:36:32,456 But it's not over yet. 810 00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:34,425 We still have to put him behind bars and... 811 00:36:34,491 --> 00:36:39,797 And there are aspects of both Ivy and Kat's cases 812 00:36:39,863 --> 00:36:42,466 that we just still don't understand, so 813 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:43,867 hoping you can help. 814 00:36:43,934 --> 00:36:44,969 - Well, I don't know Kat. 815 00:36:45,035 --> 00:36:46,503 - Oh, that's okay. 816 00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:48,973 Kat's murder was almost exactly like Ivy's 817 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:50,741 and you know Ivy, you know Garrett. 818 00:36:50,808 --> 00:36:53,510 You're the expert here, not me. 819 00:36:53,577 --> 00:36:55,779 I'm-I'm so curious about your perspective. 820 00:36:55,846 --> 00:36:58,949 - Hmm, I've already told you everything I know. 821 00:36:59,016 --> 00:37:02,620 - Facts, yeah. But I'm looking for feelings. 822 00:37:02,686 --> 00:37:05,456 And you were practically inside their heads. 823 00:37:05,522 --> 00:37:09,693 I mean, you were Ivy's therapist and Garrett's muse. 824 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,795 - What do you mean Garrett's muse? 825 00:37:13,163 --> 00:37:15,866 - Oh, Sarah. I... I read his book. 826 00:37:15,933 --> 00:37:19,336 Those chapters on defence mechanisms, impulsivity, 827 00:37:19,403 --> 00:37:21,238 emotional dysregulation. 828 00:37:21,305 --> 00:37:22,806 That was all you. 829 00:37:22,873 --> 00:37:24,975 - No, no, no, no, no. That wasn't all me. 830 00:37:25,042 --> 00:37:27,144 We worked-we worked together. - On your ideas? 831 00:37:27,211 --> 00:37:28,912 - Well, I wanted to help him. 832 00:37:28,979 --> 00:37:32,516 - Yeah, like you helped him with his alibi? 833 00:37:33,917 --> 00:37:37,354 It's okay. I know it's not your fault. 834 00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:40,658 I think that Garrett was able to get away with these murders 835 00:37:40,724 --> 00:37:44,662 because he manipulated his victims. You included. 836 00:37:44,728 --> 00:37:46,096 This guy was very careful. 837 00:37:46,163 --> 00:37:48,098 - No, no. There's careful and then there's controlling. 838 00:37:48,165 --> 00:37:50,000 - Oh, what do you mean? 839 00:37:50,067 --> 00:37:51,035 - Well, Ivy mentioned that 840 00:37:51,101 --> 00:37:52,803 Garrett asked to track her phone. 841 00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:55,039 That's why she was so scared. - Wow. 842 00:37:55,105 --> 00:37:56,340 - He liked to lead in relationships. 843 00:37:56,407 --> 00:37:57,541 To have the upper hand. 844 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,009 - Well, was he like that with you too? 845 00:37:59,076 --> 00:38:01,245 In your relationship? 846 00:38:01,312 --> 00:38:03,614 - Well, Garrett and I... we're just friends. 847 00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:06,650 Really? 848 00:38:06,717 --> 00:38:08,185 Sarah, come on. 849 00:38:08,252 --> 00:38:10,354 I can tell when a woman is in love. 850 00:38:12,423 --> 00:38:15,492 And Garrett knew how you felt and he took advantage of that? 851 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,661 - What are you suggesting? 852 00:38:17,728 --> 00:38:20,230 That I'm weak? No. God, no. 853 00:38:20,297 --> 00:38:22,966 No, I've, uh... 854 00:38:23,033 --> 00:38:24,802 I've been there myself. 855 00:38:24,868 --> 00:38:26,537 - Huh. 856 00:38:26,603 --> 00:38:29,773 - My rookie year, I fell absolutely head over heels 857 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,875 with a guy that I worked with. 858 00:38:31,942 --> 00:38:34,778 I became obsessed. 859 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:37,381 I memorized his schedule, I followed him around, 860 00:38:37,448 --> 00:38:39,583 I would make excuses to work together... 861 00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:41,418 - Did he like you back? 862 00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:43,554 - He liked my work. 863 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:48,092 He liked it so much that sometimes he would claim it. 864 00:38:48,158 --> 00:38:49,927 As his own. 865 00:38:49,993 --> 00:38:51,562 - Hmm. 866 00:38:51,628 --> 00:38:55,766 - Yeah, eventually he did. He did want more than just my work. 867 00:38:55,833 --> 00:38:57,067 - So he did like you back. 868 00:38:57,134 --> 00:38:59,303 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 869 00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:02,639 But, uh, he didn't like me enough to get serious 870 00:39:02,706 --> 00:39:07,378 'cause, uh, turns out he was married the entire time. 871 00:39:07,444 --> 00:39:08,379 - Oh. 872 00:39:08,445 --> 00:39:10,814 - And I wanted a kid. 873 00:39:10,881 --> 00:39:12,282 I wanted a family. 874 00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:13,450 - That's terrible. 875 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:15,652 At least Garrett isn't married. 876 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,456 - Well, no. 877 00:39:19,523 --> 00:39:21,392 He is otherwise engaged. 878 00:39:21,458 --> 00:39:24,294 He spends his time on frivolous things, 879 00:39:24,361 --> 00:39:26,930 but gives you just enough to hang on. 880 00:39:26,997 --> 00:39:30,000 Kind words, empty promises, and all the while, 881 00:39:30,067 --> 00:39:31,935 your time marches on, your window is closing. 882 00:39:32,002 --> 00:39:35,439 - I have always had feelings for Garrett. 883 00:39:35,506 --> 00:39:36,840 - Hmm. 884 00:39:36,907 --> 00:39:39,943 - But he... He said that we shouldn't cross the line 885 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:41,278 that we were colleagues. 886 00:39:41,345 --> 00:39:43,380 - But he crosses the line with his students. 887 00:39:43,447 --> 00:39:44,782 - But that's none of my business. 888 00:39:44,848 --> 00:39:47,184 And I have-I have accepted that we're just friends. 889 00:39:47,251 --> 00:39:49,119 - No, friends don't steal their friend's work. 890 00:39:49,186 --> 00:39:51,288 Friends don't use their friends 891 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:54,458 to try to cover up their affairs with students. 892 00:39:54,525 --> 00:39:58,162 And friends don't blame their friends for their crimes. 893 00:40:00,564 --> 00:40:03,167 Or maybe they do. 894 00:40:03,233 --> 00:40:08,505 See, I think you might be doing exactly that to Garrett. 895 00:40:08,572 --> 00:40:10,507 - What are you talking about? 896 00:40:10,574 --> 00:40:14,945 - Sarah, how would you define projection? 897 00:40:15,012 --> 00:40:17,714 - It's when someone attributes their own undesirable feelings, 898 00:40:17,781 --> 00:40:19,616 thoughts, and behaviours to somebody else. 899 00:40:19,683 --> 00:40:22,986 - Okay, so when you suggested that Ivy was Borderline 900 00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:25,222 with a touch of Paranoid Personality Disorder 901 00:40:25,289 --> 00:40:28,058 and intense emotions, and fear of abandonment, 902 00:40:28,125 --> 00:40:29,726 impulsivity, delusions-- 903 00:40:29,793 --> 00:40:31,829 - I am not delusional, Detective. 904 00:40:31,895 --> 00:40:36,500 And I-I actually I've done nothing but try to help you. 905 00:40:36,567 --> 00:40:38,836 - Yeah. Well, you've been very helpful. 906 00:40:38,902 --> 00:40:42,172 Yeah, when you wanted me to trust you and like you, 907 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,741 you told me everything I wanted to hear. 908 00:40:44,808 --> 00:40:47,511 But I've read your notes and I've made some of my own 909 00:40:47,578 --> 00:40:51,715 and I think all those things you were saying about Ivy... 910 00:40:52,816 --> 00:40:54,785 ...you were really talking about yourself. 911 00:40:54,852 --> 00:40:56,186 - Huh. 912 00:40:57,421 --> 00:40:58,489 - Sarah, stop. 913 00:40:58,555 --> 00:41:00,190 - No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm done here. 914 00:41:00,257 --> 00:41:01,758 From the moment that I walked into that office, 915 00:41:01,825 --> 00:41:03,026 you've been trying to manipulate me. 916 00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,329 - And now you are trying to turn the tables 917 00:41:05,395 --> 00:41:08,098 with anger and contempt and it's not gonna work. 918 00:41:08,165 --> 00:41:10,367 - Was that your attempt at empathizing in there? 919 00:41:10,434 --> 00:41:11,869 At relating? 920 00:41:11,935 --> 00:41:13,504 God, you are so out of your depth. 921 00:41:13,570 --> 00:41:14,438 You should be embarrassed. 922 00:41:14,505 --> 00:41:16,206 - See, you're projecting again. 923 00:41:16,273 --> 00:41:18,909 You've been carrying a torch for that man for 10 years. 924 00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:21,211 10 years of him stealing your work, 925 00:41:21,278 --> 00:41:25,048 tossing you scraps while he screws his students. 926 00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:27,784 And you know it's shameful and you still can't stop. 927 00:41:27,851 --> 00:41:29,152 - I don't need Garrett. 928 00:41:29,219 --> 00:41:31,221 - No, you don't, but you want him. 929 00:41:31,288 --> 00:41:34,057 You want him fully and forever and you know he wants you too. 930 00:41:34,124 --> 00:41:36,260 He just needed a little nudge. 931 00:41:36,326 --> 00:41:39,129 You know that one day he's gonna wake up 932 00:41:39,196 --> 00:41:41,632 and look at you and see what is right in front of him. 933 00:41:41,698 --> 00:41:43,133 What's been here all along. 934 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,802 You just needed those girls to get out of the way. 935 00:41:45,869 --> 00:41:47,437 They're baubles. 936 00:41:47,504 --> 00:41:49,473 They're trinkets. 937 00:41:49,540 --> 00:41:51,441 But you... You are the real thing. 938 00:41:53,477 --> 00:41:56,847 So you stabbed Kat outside her house, 939 00:41:56,914 --> 00:41:59,650 you tracked Ivy's phone and you killed her. 940 00:41:59,716 --> 00:42:01,118 - No, no. You have no proof. 941 00:42:01,184 --> 00:42:03,820 - I know that you threw away your key card. 942 00:42:03,887 --> 00:42:07,558 And Ivy was smart. She grabbed it, didn't she? 943 00:42:07,624 --> 00:42:10,294 As she was dying? 'Cause in her last moments, 944 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,429 she wanted to leave a trace. Someone, stop her, 945 00:42:12,496 --> 00:42:14,298 please stop this monster-- 946 00:42:14,364 --> 00:42:16,967 - Ivy-Ivy was a child, okay? An idiotic fool. 947 00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:19,670 And she thought that Garrett was gonna, what? 948 00:42:19,736 --> 00:42:21,338 Leave his job and marry her? 949 00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:22,973 I tried to play nice. - How? 950 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,175 - I told her to leave. I said leave town, 951 00:42:25,242 --> 00:42:27,344 but she-she stuck around. She didn't listen. 952 00:42:27,411 --> 00:42:29,346 - Garrett didn't listen either? - No! He never does. 953 00:42:29,413 --> 00:42:31,214 I-I-I don't know what I have to do! 954 00:42:31,281 --> 00:42:32,883 - And that's why you threw him under the bus. 955 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:34,651 To make him listen, to make him yours. 956 00:42:34,718 --> 00:42:36,119 Yes! 957 00:42:36,186 --> 00:42:39,323 Yes because then, then it would finally be me and him 958 00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:42,059 and I would stand by him and I would visit him 959 00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:44,861 and-and when he got out of prison he would know who... 960 00:42:44,928 --> 00:42:46,964 He would know who really loved him. 961 00:42:52,235 --> 00:42:54,171 - I wonder if he's gonna visit you. 962 00:43:09,953 --> 00:43:11,388 - You okay? 963 00:43:11,455 --> 00:43:13,190 - Yeah. 964 00:43:13,256 --> 00:43:17,160 Think I used more hammer than I did watercolour. 965 00:43:17,227 --> 00:43:20,130 Well, whatever the tool, 966 00:43:20,197 --> 00:43:22,966 we still painted our killer into a corner. 967 00:43:24,735 --> 00:43:26,970 - It's never easy to corner another woman.